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Az emberek imádják azt, ha velem történnek a bajok | Interjú Pásztor Erzsivel

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TL;DR

Pásztor Erzsi's memoir reveals a 66-year acting career shadowed by personal struggles—an alcoholic husband, dismissive directors, and the discovery that audiences loved hearing about her suffering more than celebrating her triumphs.

Key Insights

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Audiences loved her suffering — Pásztor noticed early that audiences were most engaged when she shared stories of her own failures and mistreatment—they loved hearing about her being cheated or hurt, which kept her performing her pain for decades.

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Generation-wide coping mechanism — Her husband's alcoholism wasn't just personal tragedy—it reflected a generation-wide pattern where talented artists (Sík Ferenc, Holl István, others) used drinking as their only available escape from success, failure, or both.

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Squandered film potential — Despite two acclaimed early film roles (Deri's Wife and with Angival), institutional gatekeepers never cast her in major film leads again—a lost opportunity the authors now see as negligence rather than accident.

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Cruelty preceded triumph — Director Kerényi Imre's forced retirement of Pásztor at around 50 with a cruel remark triggered an immediate redemptive role that became one of her greatest successes—the pattern repeated: cruelty preceded breakthrough.

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Success more destructive than failure — Success proved more destructive than obscurity to her generation of artists—she watched talented peers become unrecognizable once applause arrived, losing the humility and decency that had defined them.

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Refused the iron diploma — She refused to accept her iron diploma from the theater school decades later because the institution that rejected her diploma didn't deserve her formal forgiveness—an act of quiet defiance that still haunts her emotionally.

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Deep Dive

Why these two writers chose Pásztor Erzsi

Gábor and Zoltán first approached Pásztor without prior connection, but they already knew her range—not just her famous role as the neighbor in a beloved series, but her older theater work accessible online and her radio performances. Gábor initially dismissed the idea as presumptuous; after all, a Kossuth Prize winner wouldn't green-light two writers with no biography experience. Yet Pásztor said yes immediately, and they discovered their instincts aligned. They wanted to write not just a career arc spanning her 66 years in theater, but the lived historical context—the decades she actually inhabited. Zoltán had written Ildikó Lendvai's biography, which gave him enough false confidence to attempt this one. But the collaboration revealed how different working with Pásztor in a different genre felt. The authors saw an opportunity to document a generation of great colleagues most Hungarians have already forgotten.

The culture of audience complicity in her pain

Pásztor describes a pattern that followed her for years: people loved hearing about her troubles. When she was married to her alcoholic husband and attending his premieres alone, dressed up and smiling for the cameras, she realized audiences were most animated when she confessed to being betrayed, cheated, or humiliated. She spent decades feeding this appetite for her own suffering—telling stories of rejection and mistreatment because those stories got the biggest laughs and the most rapt attention. The mechanism was cruel: the worse her personal news, the more engaged people became. This wasn't unique to her. The generation of Hungarian actors who rose in the mid-20th century all faced similar pressures, and many turned to alcohol as their only tool for managing success, failure, or the grinding middle. Her husband's drinking wasn't weakness alone—it was a symptom of a system that offered artists no healthy way to process sudden fame or sustained invisibility.

Why directors systematically underused her

The authors identify a specific wound: after two strong film roles early in her career (Deri's Wife and another with Angival), no significant film leads came. For a woman showing that range, the silence afterward suggests institutional failure rather than her own decline. Later in her career, despite her gifts for aged, strong-willed characters, she received only occasional 'bonus' roles instead of meaty parts. Then came Kerényi Imre's public cruelty—fired at roughly 50 with the casual remark that there were already three actresses like her. The very next evening, director Berényi Gábor called with a role as a maid-companion in a comedy that became one of her greatest triumphs. The pattern repeated throughout her life: dismissal preceded breakthrough. But the authors suspect this wasn't accident—it was systematic underestimation by institutions that didn't know what to do with a woman of her power and intelligence once she aged past the ingénue stage.

The generation destroyed by alcohol and institutional silence

Pásztor speaks candidly about peers—Sík Ferenc, who vanished for days on drinking binges; Holl István, rising from desperate poverty, who drank himself into early death; the radio director whose talent made him legendary but whose addiction made him unreliable. She acknowledges these were brilliant people in a system with no mental health resources and no language for processing the violence of sudden success or sustained failure. Her husband, though talented, couldn't manage what he'd achieved. The curious thing: in France, they had media that remembered and celebrated these figures. In Hungary, they simply disappeared from conversation. Pásztor herself kept talking about them, but the culture moved on. What haunts the narrative is that the solution wasn't better therapy or intervention—it was the fact that some people like Pásztor's husband's brother managed to stay married despite alcoholism because their spouses could tolerate the chaos. Pásztor couldn't. She had the thick skin to survive professional cruelty, but not the capacity to watch her husband destroy himself nightly.

Redemption through refusal and the human voice

Late in the interview, Pásztor mentions something small but shattering: years after leaving the theater school, someone called asking her to accept her iron diploma—a late honor. She refused. The institution had once rejected her; accepting the diploma now felt like forgiving them, and she wasn't ready. The emotional weight of that refusal still moves her. Yet throughout our conversation, she returns to what kept her alive: humor, resilience, and what she calls the 'human voice'—the moment when an audience hears not a performance but a real person's essential sound. She cried at the railing of the theater when audiences roared after her greatest success, convinced the sky had opened and an angel confirmed: you are the best. That moment sustained her through the empty years. The book's final note is not bitter resignation but hard-won perspective: yes, acting destroys people—success more than failure—but the human voice, when it connects, redeems the cost.

Takeaways

  • ✓If you're considering an acting career, know that success—not obscurity—is more likely to break you unless you have Pásztor's unusual combination of humor, humility from childhood, and genuine belief in yourself despite evidence to the contrary.
  • ✓Watch for the human voice in performances and conversations—when someone stops performing and their essential self emerges, that's when art and connection happen; institutional gatekeepers often miss this completely.
  • ✓Refuse compromises that feel like self-betrayal even if they're framed as honors; Pásztor's refusal of the diploma, though it still wounds her, preserved something she needed to keep intact.

Key moments

7:12The audience loved her pain

“Az emberek imádják azt, hogyha velem történnek a bajok. Azt nagyon szeretik hallgatni, hogy engem vertek át, hogy engem csaptak be”

16:00Success more destructive than failure

“A siker, a siker roncsolóbb, mint a mellőzöttség. Han aki nem tudja, egyszerűen nem tudja feldolgozni, rosszul kezeli”

17:00Kerényi's cruelty became her catalyst

“Kerényi kirúgott, nem voltam 50 éves lehettem, vagy mennyi? És azt mondta magából pont három darab van. Hát ennél gonoszabbat nem lehet mondjelentés”

18:00The triumph after rejection

“Még aznap vagy másnap este a Berényi Gábor fölhívott telefonon, aki akkor a játékszínnek az igazgatója volt, és azt mondta, hogy a Verebes fista rendez itt egy darabot... életem legnagyobb, egyik legnagyobb sikere lett az előadás akkor”

30:00The refused iron diploma

“Azt mondtam a nőnek, aki fölhívott, hogy ne haragudjon, de nincs főiskolám, elpusztították. Nem tudom átvenni a diplomát”

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