Daniel Davis / Deep Dive
Daniel Davis / Deep DiveJan 1
Geopolitics

Trump v. Xi: Battle for Strategic Advantage /Lt Col Daniel Davis & Lyle Goldstein

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TL;DR

Trump's Beijing summit focuses on economic normalization with China while Iran war threatens global recession; Goldstein argues military restraint on both sides serves mutual interests.

Key Insights

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Core interest, not expansionChina views Taiwan as a core interest fundamentally different from other disputes — it's framed as national unification of a civil war holdover, not territorial expansion like its border conflicts with India or reefs disputes with the Philippines.

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Staging areas for Taiwan warThe US has spent two decades preparing the Philippines and southern Japanese islands as staging areas for a potential Taiwan conflict, which China views as encirclement rather than defensive deterrence.

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Pattern of military restraintChina's 40-year military history shows a pattern of restraint — only short, punitive border skirmishes with the USSR, India, and Vietnam, never wars of conquest, suggesting force against Taiwan is not plan A or even plan B.

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CEOs signal trade focusTrump is bringing a large contingent of CEOs to signal his primary objective is economic normalization and trade deal-making with China, not military confrontation or containment strategy.

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Depleted munitions, emboldened ChinaThe Iran conflict has depleted US munitions stocks (JASMs, Patriot interceptors, LRASM missiles) without achieving strategic gains, signaling to China that the US military isn't as dominant as previously assumed and emboldening Chinese confidence.

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Regional mediator with strategic cautionChina brokered Saudi-Iranian diplomatic normalization in 2023 and holds major cards in the Persian Gulf through relationships with Oman and Pakistan, positioning it as a potential mediator but cautiously to avoid overcommitting prestige.

Deep Dive

What China Needs From This Summit

Lyle Goldstein begins by reframing the New York Times op-ed claiming China is dangerously overconfident, arguing instead that Beijing's primary objective is stability. China is deeply worried about US policy direction and the unpredictability of the Trump administration. As a global trading juggernaut whose economy remains linked to planetary health, China is seeking above all to stabilize the US-China economic relationship, which has been destabilized by a decade of US containment strategy. Goldstein takes this further: China wants an end to or at least a détente in the economic warfare that has defined the relationship, particularly on the containment side. Beyond trade, China has expressed consistent concern about Taiwan and wants movement in its direction on that issue. It's also uncomfortable with the proliferation of US military alliances and bases along its flanks — the buildup in the Philippines, the new F-35s, submarines, and the Typhon medium-range weapons system that have been deployed there. The military encirclement is creating both anger rooted in historical grievance (the century of humiliation) and rational concern about superpower military power operating adjacent to Chinese territory.

Taiwan: Core Interest vs. Territorial Expansion

When Davis asks whether China's military buildup signals inevitably coming conquest, Goldstein draws a sharp distinction that's central to understanding Beijing's strategic calculus. China's approach historically has favored winning without fighting, and Taiwan is fundamentally different from other disputes because it's framed as a civil war unfinished business dating to the Cold War, not expansionist ambition. The constitutional name of Taiwan is the Republic of China, so from Beijing's perspective there's a legitimate relationship to be resolved through political means. Goldstein emphasizes this crucial point: China has said it will use force against Taiwan, but only if they see no possibility of peaceful unification. The danger comes if the US and Taiwan pursue what China calls permanent separation, which Beijing views as making military action inevitable. This is why Goldstein argues the US should be gently pushing Taiwan toward compromise rather than accelerating its integration into a Western military alliance. Recent positive signals, including a meeting between Taiwan's opposition leader and Xi in April, suggest there's Taiwanese political movement toward accepting some form of confederation or loose unification framework. Goldstein notes Beijing may even be open to allowing Taiwan to maintain its own armed forces within such an arrangement, a remarkably flexible negotiating position that rarely gets attention in Western policy circles.

Iran War Depletes US Military Credibility, Boosts Chinese Confidence

Davis introduces what he calls the elephant in the room: the Iran conflict has hollowed out American military advantage in ways that directly embolden Chinese strategic thinking. Over the first 40 days of full combat operations, the US burned through massive portions of its global inventory — JASMs, Tomahawk cruise missiles, THAAD interceptors, and PAC-3 systems — yet still failed to achieve strategic objectives or bring Iran to capitulation. Goldstein immediately confirms this is exactly the lesson China is taking away. Chinese military strategists who focus on the Taiwan Strait balance are openly discussing what happens when US munitions stocks deplete to certain levels, with the implicit assumption that China might then launch an attack. But Goldstein underscores something more fundamental: China is not just a great power but a superpower with munitions stocks that dwarf what the US can currently produce, appropriate bunkers, strategic depth across its territory, and industrial capacity that can sustain a prolonged conflict. The idea that the US could prevail in a Taiwan Strait scenario, he argues, is fantasy and has been for some time. The Iran analogy is imperfect because Taiwan would require an offensive crossing of a 90-mile strait by China, but that's actually less difficult operationally than a superpower against a tiny island next door — closer to how the US might view a hypothetical takeover of Cuba. The strategic lesson for Beijing is clear: when a country cares more about an issue (death ground in Sun Tzu's terminology), it will mobilize its entire society and arsenal. Iran isn't backing down, and China absolutely would not either.

Trump's Economic Focus and the Trade Deficit Problem

The presence of numerous CEOs traveling with Trump signals his priorities diverge sharply from military containment strategy. Goldstein sees this as Trump being true to form — he's a businessman who wants to cut deals and increase American prosperity, though both men acknowledge the Iran war is undermining that objective economically. The US-China economic relationship has been severely constrained over the past decade by American-led containment strategy that Goldstein argues has backfired, hurting American businesses across sectors. Farmers in the Midwest face unpredictability about Chinese purchasing patterns; companies have had to develop entirely new supply chains; telecommunications costs have risen due to bans on equipment like Huawei; construction firms and farmers have lost access to affordable DJI drones. Trump's primary objective appears to be normalizing the relationship and addressing the ugly trade deficit through multiple channels: greater US access to Chinese markets for high-tech products, farm goods, and financial services, while also attracting Chinese investment in US manufacturing. Goldstein acknowledges legitimate concerns about unfair practices like China's prohibition on unions, but argues the solution is not walls but reciprocal requirements — Chinese companies wanting to operate in America should partner with US firms, share technology, and ensure majority American employment, mirroring the successful Japanese precedent with Toyota and Honda. The irony, he notes, is that China leads the world in EV and battery technology, and during a conflict with Iran powered by oil disruptions, the US would be far better off with Chinese EV technology than pretending domestic manufacturing can solve the problem in the near term.

Espionage Paranoia vs. Evidence, and Guardrails for Tech Cooperation

When Davis raises the counterargument that Chinese investment is really about espionage and dual-use technology theft, Goldstein brings historical perspective and evidentiary reality. Economic espionage is centuries old and the US was once at the front of that line, ripping off British innovations to build American corporate giants. The current paranoia is overblown and partly a pandemic-era holdover where everything Chinese was viewed with automatic suspicion. The FBI's China Initiative, despite all the rhetoric, has resulted in extremely low conviction rates, suggesting concrete evidence of vast Chinese spying operations is lacking. On the other hand, Goldstein acknowledges legitimate national security concerns and proposes a pragmatic solution: implement a small yard, high fence approach. Certain technologies critical to national security — nuclear submarine quieting technologies, advanced weapons systems — should be kept in close hold and segmented from commercial applications. But semiconductors, EVs, batteries, telecommunications infrastructure, and drones shouldn't be on that restricted list, especially when China leads globally in these fields and American businesses are hurt by restrictions. Examples like the Huawei ban and DJI drone phase-out have made US telecommunications expensive and rural broadband unaffordable, while construction and agriculture sectors lose access to the tools they depend on. The burden, Goldstein argues, should be on hawks to demonstrate concrete threat evidence before restricting commercial relationships, not on pragmatists to defend openness. Reasonable guardrails exist — joint ventures with American partners, technology sharing requirements, workforce composition standards — that can manage risks without walling off entire sectors.

China's Iran Leverage and the Strait Dilemma

The summit will struggle to keep Iran from overshadowing discussions because China and the US have genuinely competing interests there. China has an excellent relationship with Iran, supplies components for weapon systems, provides diplomatic cover, and Beijing recently criticized US actions as hegemonic applications of the law of the jungle in the Persian Gulf. But here's where aligned interests emerge: China, as a major trading power, desperately wants the Strait of Hormuz kept open for commerce. Goldstein notes Iran has weaponized strait control in unprecedented ways — they've never attempted this level of throttling before, and they now possess a tool they previously lacked. China holds major cards through relationships with Oman (which controls the strait's other side), Pakistan (key intermediary where China invested in the Gwadar port), and has even influenced Saudi Arabia through past mediation. Goldstein recalls successfully brokering Saudi-Iranian normalization in 2023, showing China's capability as a mediator. However, China operates through carrots not arm-twisting, following its historical pattern of reluctance to bully smaller countries. They could subtly suggest to Pakistan and Iran that accepting reasonable negotiations opens new investment possibilities in the China-Iran-Pakistan economic corridor and Gwadar's future, while continued conflict is lose-lose. Goldstein suspects China will tolerate the tolls Iran has imposed on passing ships, even if they contravene standard maritime law, as a practical accommodation. The question is whether the US can swallow that outcome. What's crucial is that China is sympathetic to Iran's position and knows the US must make the big moves to resolve this. Both presidents likely share an unstated priority: preventing global demand destruction and recession, which would devastate China's export-dependent economy regardless of what happens militarily.

Global Depression Risk and Mutual Economic Vulnerability

Davis raises the possibility that a return to active combat operations against Iran would trigger not just recession but depression, catastrophic for US interests but also for China. Goldstein initially notes China might even view prolonged US-Iran conflict favorably in some respects — a Chinese strategist he spoke with a decade ago said such a war would be the last nail in American hegemony's coffin, showing US weakness and allowing China's star to rise on the global stage. There's reputational advantage too: the US increasingly looks like a rogue state while China presents itself as a reasonable, responsible stakeholder. But Goldstein emphasizes that his logic about shared economic vulnerability is ultimately more important. China has spent two or three decades trying to build a more resilient economy — they've accumulated strategic petroleum reserves and moved away from oil dependency far more than they had 20 years prior. They have Russia to the north willing to divert energy resources eastward. Yet the Chinese economy remains a trading juggernaut dependent on demand from all markets: the US, Europe, the global south, Africa, Southeast Asia. If demand destruction occurs across the planet, China's economy will be massively impacted regardless of resilience investments. This logic will almost certainly be on Xi's mind as he sits down with Trump. Goldstein expects Xi will explicitly warn against going further down the Iran rat hole, saying it will send the world economy into a tailspin where everyone suffers — truly lose-lose. For both presidents, keeping the world economy on track should be a major priority, even if the US public doesn't fully grasp how deeply China's fate is tied to global prosperity and American consumer demand.

Takeaways

  • Recognize Taiwan as a core interest where China prioritizes political unification over military conquest—US pressure toward permanent separation increases war risk.
  • Adopt 'small yard high fence' approach: restrict only critical military tech like submarine quieting systems, not semiconductors or consumer tech like EVs and drones.
  • Push China to leverage Pakistan and Oman relationships to mediate Iran toward strait normalization—both superpowers lose in global recession scenario.
  • Stabilize US-China trade relationship through joint ventures with technology transfer requirements and American employment minimums, following the Japan model rather than blanket bans.

Key moments

12:42China's core interests hierarchy

Taiwan is what they call a core interest. It's something that they have said repeatedly that they will use force against Taiwan.

16:23Iran war lessons for Taiwan

China is so much stronger than Iran. China is a superpower. The idea that we could prevail in a Taiwan Strait scenario I think is fantasy.

23:35Trump's economic priority

He's a businessman. He wants to cut deals. He wants to increase the prosperity of Americans and improve the prosperity of American businesses.

44:07China's 2023 Saudi-Iran success

In 2023 they were successful in bringing the Saudis and the Iranians to the table and creating normalized diplomatic relations.

53:43Global recession threatens China

If demand destruction occurs across the whole planet, that's going to massively impact the Chinese economy. This will be on President Xi's mind.

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